[Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky

Mon Mar 9 12:14:09 EDT 2009

Tracy,

Could you provide exactly where the patron found the citation?  Maybe seeing the comment in the context of the document may provide some clues.

Jimmie

Jimmie Epling
Regional Library Consultant
Region 8 Field Office
Kentucky Department for Libraries and Archives
P.O. Box 370, 122 South Main Cross St. 
Louisa, KY 41230-0370
O: 606.638.4797 / C: 606.521.0107 / F: 606.638.0586
jimmie.epling at ky.gov

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:00:04 -0600
From: "Tracy Luscombe" <tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org>
Subject: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky
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A patron asked me about the 1830 census. One area in West KY, instead of
being labeled with a county name, is referred to as "South of the
Cumberland River". Anybody know why this was used instead of a county
name. I checked a few sources I have about Kentucky and censuses and
didn't find anything. 

Tracy E. Luscombe

Genealogy Librarian

McKinney Public Library System

McKinney, TX 

tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org <mailto:tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org> 

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 10:17:12 -0500
From: "Johnson, Donna" <Donna at health.ok.gov>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky
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Maybe this was the case because the state of Kentucky was reforming
counties about that time and it could be that the census enumerator did
not know the county name in that particular area and just used the
geographical notation.

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Subject: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky

A patron asked me about the 1830 census. One area in West KY, instead of
being labeled with a county name, is referred to as "South of the
Cumberland River". Anybody know why this was used instead of a county
name. I checked a few sources I have about Kentucky and censuses and
didn't find anything. 

Tracy E. Luscombe

Genealogy Librarian

McKinney Public Library System

McKinney, TX 

tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org <mailto:tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org> 

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:33:30 -0400
From: "Susan Scouras" <Susan.Scouras at wvculture.org>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky
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I haven't worked in my home state in many years, but I know Kentucky had
a multitude of county creations and boundary changes leading up to the
current 120 counties.  Kentucky not only formed new counties from parts
of one or more counties, but the counties themselves dickered over
parcels of land on their borders and transferred them to each other. The
reference to the Cumberland River can be confusing to those without a
map, since the Cumberland River starts in south central Kentucky, where
you will find Cumberland Lake, then dips down into Tennessee where it
runs west, then angles back north into Kentucky, where you will find
Lake Barkley, neither lake existing, I think, prior to the modern Corps
of Engineers dams. I am not sure how far west your unidentified land
lies.  

I have a copy of Kentucky Ancestry: A Guide to Genealogical and
Historical Research by Roseann Hogan that offers a couple of handy
charts relating to this subject.   I skimmed through the county creation
dates and did not see one formed circa 1830; however, at the time of the
census the boundary in this particular area could have been in question,
or a deal underway to transfer the land, and the "owning" county had not
been determined yet. In 1830, Cumberland County transferred land to
Monroe County, which could fit the description of land below the
Cumberland River, but I would consider that south central Kentucky, not
west.  

Hope this helps.

Susan Scouras
Librarian
WV Archives and History Library
The Cultural Center
1900 Kanawha Blvd. East
Charleston, WV  25305-0300
(304) 558-0230, Ext. 742

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	A patron asked me about the 1830 census. One area in West KY,
instead of being labeled with a county name, is referred to as "South of
the Cumberland River". Anybody know why this was used instead of a
county name. I checked a few sources I have about Kentucky and censuses
and didn't find anything. 

	Tracy E. Luscombe

	Genealogy Librarian

	McKinney Public Library System

	McKinney, TX 

	tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org <mailto:tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org>

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Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:50:50 -0400
From: "Jennifer Daugherty" <jennifer at laurellibrary.org>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky
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I called the public library in Cumberland to see if they could offer any insight into this. The librarian said he wasn't aware of a section that was labeled only South of the Cumberland River in the 1830 census. He said there is one that is labeled Cumberland County South of the Cumberland River. I wonder if your patron maybe misread it?  It is very faint and scribbled in the left hand corner.  He said that is the major geographic distinction used for most things such as the census, because the river cuts down the middle of the county.  He said often they would use North or South of the river as an identifier instead of township names, etc. Hope this helps.

Jennifer Daugherty
Director of Reference and Information Services
Laurel County Public Library
London, KY
606-864-5759

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Subject: [Genealib] Anybody know about Kentucky

A patron asked me about the 1830 census. One area in West KY, instead of being labeled with a county name, is referred to as "South of the Cumberland River". Anybody know why this was used instead of a county name. I checked a few sources I have about Kentucky and censuses and didn't find anything. 

Tracy E. Luscombe

Genealogy Librarian

McKinney Public Library System

McKinney, TX 

tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org <mailto:tluscombe at mckinneytexas.org> 

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