[Genealib] Re: DAR and other lineage society

Thu Sep 11 09:50:08 EDT 2008

I have been following this discussion and want to clarify a few things.  It is not true that you can't link to an approved application for DAR and other lineage societies.  The problem is that many of the applications approved prior to about 1985 or later contained no documentation.  The application was approved on a notorized statement from the applicatant that all the data was correct.  Many of these older applications contained incorrect information and that is the reason for the requirement now that older applications must be redocumented if you wish to link to them.

If it is a well documented application, there is no problem linking to it and then not needing to provide the documentation that is already on file with the organization.

C.A.R. and DAR (notice forrect placement of periods!) have similar requirements.  I can't speak for SAR but if the documents are provided copies could be obtained.  I don't think DAR will allow linking to a SAR application.  

Ruth M.F. Tucker
NEIGS librarian
Iowa

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  3. RE:  History of American genealogy (Sarah Kirby)
  4. Re: Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank (Joy Rich)
  5. DAR & SAR Free Online Tutorial (Debbie Duay)
  6. Re: Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank (Dave Fiske)
  7. Re: DAR (mrarchive at aol.com)
  8. RE: DAR (Nancy Miller)
  9. RE: DAR (Sutton, Linda)
  10. RE: DAR (Nancy Miller)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:03:16 -0500
From: "Carol Bartlett" <cbartlet at eapl.org>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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My concern would be that you have no link to the SS-5 letter that could
bring additional information for a difficult research subject.

Carol Bartlett
Ela Area Public Library
275 Mohawk Trail
Lake Zurich, IL  60047
cbartlet at eapl.org

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[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:52 AM
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
Subject: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank

There is only ONE complete, up-to-date SSDI site online &
GenealogyBank just made it free to everyone.

It is the best SSDI site on the planet.
Period.

Search it at: http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi.html

Book mark it; link to it; use it.
It's all yours.

It is the ONLY SSDI site updated weekly.

GenealogyBank is celebrating two birthdays - Ida May Fuller's 134th
birthday - she was born 6 Sep 1874 and died at age 100 in 1975. She
was America's first Social Security recipient. ..... And we are also
getting a head start on GenealogyBank's birthday - on Oct 18th we will
celebrate our 2nd Anniversary.

So - to celebrate GenealogyBank has made - the best SSDI site on the
planet - free to all researchers.

Read all about it at:
http://blog.genealogybank.com/2008/09/ssdi-free-on-genealogybank.html
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:07:23 -0400
From: "Tom Kemp" <thomas.j.kemp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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That would be a good suggestion.
I'll look into it.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Carol Bartlett <cbartlet at eapl.org> wrote:
> My concern would be that you have no link to the SS-5 letter that could
> bring additional information for a difficult research subject.
>
> Carol Bartlett
> Ela Area Public Library
> 275 Mohawk Trail
> Lake Zurich, IL  60047
> cbartlet at eapl.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
> [mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:52 AM
> To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
> Subject: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
>
> There is only ONE complete, up-to-date SSDI site online &
> GenealogyBank just made it free to everyone.
>
> It is the best SSDI site on the planet.
> Period.
>
> Search it at: http://www.genealogybank.com/gbnk/ssdi.html
>
> Book mark it; link to it; use it.
> It's all yours.
>
> It is the ONLY SSDI site updated weekly.
>
> GenealogyBank is celebrating two birthdays - Ida May Fuller's 134th
> birthday - she was born 6 Sep 1874 and died at age 100 in 1975. She
> was America's first Social Security recipient. ..... And we are also
> getting a head start on GenealogyBank's birthday - on Oct 18th we will
> celebrate our 2nd Anniversary..
>
> So - to celebrate GenealogyBank has made - the best SSDI site on the
> planet - free to all researchers.
>
> Read all about it at:
> http://blog.genealogybank.com/2008/09/ssdi-free-on-genealogybank.html
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:20:37 -0500
From: "Sarah Kirby" <SKirby at environcorp.com>
Subject: RE:  [Genealib] History of American genealogy
To: <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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There are a number of societies that focus on research in the U.K. Some
may organize trips.

Here's a list of some societies from Cyndi's List (not all are
U.S.-based) - http://www.cyndislist.com/genuk.htm#Societies

The three most prominent U.S.-based societies IMHO are:
ISBGFH - Int'l Soc for British Gen & Fam Hist - http://www.isbgfh.org/
BIGWILL - British Interest Grp of WI and IL -
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wiilbig/
BIFHSUSA - British Isles Family Hist Soc - U.S.A. -
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bifhsusa/

Paul Milner is a regular speaker on U.K. research at large (and small)
U.S. conferences.
His bio/curricula vitae on AncestorDetective -
http://www.ancestordetective..com/speakers/milner.htm

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:50:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern

Subject:

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone could help me. I am currently undertaking doctoral
research into the history of genealogical research at Glasgow
University. I am particularly interested in the history of American
genealogical research and its links with British archives. 

Can anyone recommend any sources where I can find out more about:

a) the history of American genealogical research in general

b) the history of Goodspeed publishing company

c) any Americans that have particularly contributed to British
genealogical research

I would also be interested if anyone regularly directs patrons to
British archives and/or if anyone knows of any local groups that
organize trips to visit British archives 

I would be grateful if you could reply off list to:
hannahmlittle at googlemail.com

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:10:54 -0400
From: "Joy Rich" <joyrichny at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
To: "Genealib" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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Deb, see "Social Security Death Index: Missing Entries" at 
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/missing.html . And at 
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/index.html#reasons , reasons for non-inclusion are 
listed. "Reporting Inaccurate Entries" (or non-entries) is explained at 
http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/errors.html .

Joy Rich
Brooklyn, NY
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:02:54 -0500
From: "Anderson, Debra" <andersod at uwgb.edu>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
To: 'Librarians Serving Genealogists' <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>

Hmmm!  If it is up to date, my father's info should be in there and it is not....no matter
what search strategies are tried. He died in 2006.

Deb Anderson
Green Bay Wisconsin

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 10:15:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debbie Duay <dlduay at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Genealib] DAR & SAR Free Online Tutorial
To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
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Feel free to refer anyone interested in joining either the DAR or SAR to the following free online tutorial.  It provides a step-by-step procedure for finding a Revolutionary War patriot ancestor and documenting the lineage to that ancestor.

Researching Your Revolutionary War Patriot Ancestor
http://www.learnwebskills.com/patriot

Debbie Duay
dlduay at yahoo.com
http://www.learnwebskills.com/patriot/debbieduay.htm

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 17:01:27 -0400
From: "Wanda Hunter" <whunter at cumberland.lib.nc.us>
Subject: [Genealib] DAR
To: <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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Do any of you have handouts with resources that you give to customers who are trying to get into the DAR or SAR?  Would you please share.

Thanks.

Wanda Hunter
Local & State History Manager
Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center
300 Maiden Ln
Fayetteville, NC 28301-5000
910-483-7727, ext. 309

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dave Fiske <dfiskehiker at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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This is the Social Security Administration's explanation of what
records are in the SSDI. (From http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html)

"The Death Index contains a listing of persons who had a Social Security number, who are deceased, and whose death was reported to the Social Security Administration. (The information in the Death Index for people who died prior to 1962 is sketchy since SSA's death information was not automated before that date. Death information for persons who died before 1962 is generally only in the Death Index if the death was actually reported to SSA after 1962, even though the death occurred prior to that year.)"

David Fiske

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Dick Eastman <richard at eastman.net> wrote:

> From: Dick Eastman <richard at eastman.net>
> Subject: Re: [Genealib] Flash: SSDI now free on GenealogyBank
> To: "Sutton, Linda" <suttonl at oakgov.com>, "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 10:01 AM
> ---> If there was no death payout the SSDI will not
> include their name.
> 
> Not true. That might have been true once but has not been
> true for
> some time. My 15-year-old son had no payout on his death in
> 1994 but
> he is listed in the SSDI. So are thousands of other
> children who died
> and we can assume that 99% of them had no pay-outs.
> 
>  - Dick Eastman
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Sutton, Linda
> <suttonl at oakgov.com> wrote:
> > If there was no death payout the SSDI will not include
> their name. I believe

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:15:21 -0400
From: mrarchive at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR
To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
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Hi:

Actually DAR and SAR requirements are NOT THE SAME.? Often time in SAR you are allowed to join on your Father or Grandfather?? but in DAR you must re-prove each Step.. Record copies of SAR application that have been approved are usually questioned and not accepted by the DAR? in these later years.. It is still the wiser decision to contact the National Organizations eac.. individually? www.SAR.ORG? for the updated versions. Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Miller <NMiller at vbgov.com>
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 8:11 am
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR

SAR's requirements are the same as DAR except you only have to prove the
bloodline back to the patriot.

Nancy

Nancy M. Miller, MSLS
Collection Development Librarian
Virginia Beach Public Library
4100 Virginia Beach Blvd.
Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767
757-385-0163
757-431-3741 FAX
nmiller at vbgov.com
vbgov.com/libraries
-----Original Message-----
From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy
Maxwell
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:29 PM
To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

Wanda, I don't have handouts, but I normally refer potential members to
the local DAR chapter and give them the excellent DAR web site because
the Society has specific procedures and requirements for membership. I
haven't been asked about SAR membership yet.

Nancy Kouyoumjian Maxwell, Genealogy Librarian
Frances Pittman Malcolm Genealogy Room
Grapevine Public Library
1201 Municipal Way
Grapevine, TX 76051
Voice: 817-410-3429
Fax: 817-410-3084
E-mail: nmaxwell at grapevinetexas.gov

"The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
~Dorothy Parker

>>> "Wanda Hunter" <whunter at cumberland.lib.nc.us> 9/9/2008 4:01 PM >>>
Do any of you have handouts with resources that you give to customers
who are trying to get into the DAR or SAR?  Would you please share.

Thanks.

Wanda Hunter
Local & State History Manager
Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center
300 Maiden Ln
Fayetteville, NC 28301-5000
910-483-7727, ext. 309

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:29:06 -0400
From: "Nancy Miller" <NMiller at vbgov.com>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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I am a DAR member and have been Registrar for my chapter, having helped
oodles of ladies complete their applications.  I have also attended a
week long, intensive training session at DAR on the requirements for
completing applications and conduct workshops on how to join DAR.

You do not have to re-prove generations that have already been
documented.  You can just refer to the DAR National number of the person
that you are related to and that will suffice for documentation.  I

It is true that DAR will not accept SAR applications as documentation.

Nancy

Nancy M. Miller, MSLS 
Collection Development Librarian 
Virginia Beach Public Library 
4100 Virginia Beach Blvd. 
Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767 
757-385-0163 
757-431-3741 FAX 
nmiller at vbgov.com <mailto:nmiller at vbgov.com>  
vbgov.com/libraries 

________________________________

From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of
mrarchive at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:15 PM
To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

Hi:

Actually DAR and SAR requirements are NOT THE SAME.  Often time in SAR
you are allowed to join on your Father or Grandfather  but in DAR you
must re-prove each Step.. Record copies of SAR application that have
been approved are usually questioned and not accepted by the DAR  in
these later years.. It is still the wiser decision to contact the
National Organizations eac.. individually  www.SAR.ORG  for the updated
versions. Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Miller <NMiller at vbgov.com>
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 8:11 am
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR

SAR's requirements are the same as DAR except you only have to prove the
bloodline back to the patriot.

Nancy

Nancy M. Miller, MSLS
Collection Development Librarian
Virginia Beach Public Library
4100 Virginia Beach Blvd.
Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767
757-385-0163
757-431-3741 FAX
nmiller at vbgov..com
vbgov.com/libraries
-----Original Message-----
From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
<mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu?> ] On Behalf Of Nancy
Maxwell
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:29 PM
To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

Wanda, I don't have handouts, but I normally refer potential members to
the local DAR chapter and give them the excellent DAR web site because
the Society has specific procedures and requirements for membership. I
haven't been asked about SAR membership yet.

Nancy Kouyoumjian Maxwell, Genealogy Librarian
Frances Pittman Malcolm Genealogy Room
Grapevine Public Library
1201 Municipal Way
Grapevine, TX 76051
Voice: 817-410-3429
Fax: 817-410-3084
E-mail: nmaxwell at grapevinetexas.gov

"The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."
~Dorothy Parker

>>> "Wanda Hunter" <whunter at cumberland.lib.nc.us> 9/9/2008 4:01 PM >>>
Do any of you have handouts with resources that you give to customers
who are trying to get into the DAR or SAR?  Would you please share.

Thanks.

Wanda Hunter
Local & State History Manager
Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center
300 Maiden Ln
Fayetteville, NC 28301-5000
910-483-7727, ext. 309

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:24:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sutton, Linda" <suttonl at oakgov.com>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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  Interesting, my mother, who was a CAR (Children of the American
  Revolution) was told that she would have to reprove her CAR
  application to become a DAR; even though her mother, aunt, and
  grandmother had been members of the DAR and their membership
  numbers were on her application. She was upset about that and has
  not attempted to join since and at her age may never do so.

  Does this vary by state or chapter?

  Linda Sutton
  ---- Original message ----

    Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:29:06 -0400
    From: "Nancy Miller" <NMiller at vbgov.com>
    Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR
    To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists"
    <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>

    I am a DAR member and have been Registrar
    for my chapter, having helped oodles of ladies complete their
    applications.  I have also attended a week long, intensive
    training
    session at DAR on the requirements for completing applications
    and conduct
    workshops on how to join DAR.

    You do not have to re-prove generations
    that have already been documented.  You can just refer to the
    DAR National
    number of the person that you are related to and that will
    suffice for
    documentation.  I

    It is true that DAR will not accept SAR
    applications as documentation.

    Nancy

    Nancy M. Miller, MSLS
    Collection Development Librarian
    Virginia Beach Public
    Library
    4100 Virginia Beach
    Blvd.
    Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767
    757-385-0163

    757-431-3741 FAX
    nmiller at vbgov.com
    vbgov.com/libraries 

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    From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    [mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of
    mrarchive at aol.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 10,
    2008 6:15 PM
    To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

    Hi:

    Actually DAR and SAR requirements are NOT THE SAME.  Often time
    in SAR you
    are allowed to join on your Father or Grandfather  but in DAR
    you
    must re-prove each Step.. Record copies of SAR application that
    have been
    approved are usually questioned and not accepted by the DAR  in
    these
    later years.. It is still the wiser decision to contact the
    National
    Organizations eac.. individually  www.SAR.ORG 
    for the updated versions. Steve

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Nancy Miller <NMiller at vbgov.com>
    To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
    <genealib at mailman..acomp.usf.edu>
    Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 8:11 am
    Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR

SAR's requirements are the same as DAR except you only have to prove the

bloodline back to the patriot.

Nancy

Nancy M. Miller, MSLS

Collection Development Librarian

Virginia Beach Public Library

4100 Virginia Beach Blvd.

Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767

757-385-0163

757-431-3741 FAX

nmiller at vbgov.com

vbgov.com/libraries

-----Original Message-----

From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu

[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Nancy

Maxwell

Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:29 PM

To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu

Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

Wanda, I don't have handouts, but I normally refer potential members to

the local DAR chapter and give them the excellent DAR web site because

the Society has specific procedures and requirements for membership. I

haven't been asked about SAR membership yet.

Nancy Kouyoumjian Maxwell, Genealogy Librarian

Frances Pittman Malcolm Genealogy Room

Grapevine Public Library

1201 Municipal Way

Grapevine, TX 76051

Voice: 817-410-3429

Fax: 817-410-3084

E-mail: nmaxwell at grapevinetexas.gov

"The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity."

~Dorothy Parker

>>> "Wanda Hunter" <whunter at cumberland.lib.nc.us> 9/9/2008 4:01 PM >>>

Do any of you have handouts with resources that you give to customers

who are trying to get into the DAR or SAR?  Would you please share.

Thanks.

Wanda Hunter

Local & State History Manager

Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center

300 Maiden Ln

Fayetteville, NC 28301-5000

910-483-7727, ext. 309

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:30:23 -0400
From: "Nancy Miller" <NMiller at vbgov.com>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR
To: "Sutton, Linda" <suttonl at oakgov.com>,    "Librarians Serving
    Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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No, this does not vary by state or chapter

I don't know what year she attempted to join.  Perhaps that made a
difference, but that would not be the case now.  Her CAR application,
however, I believe would not be accepted as documentation.  I'd have to
double check that for sure.

The Registrar of the Chapter she wanted to join should have helped her
fill out a DAR application using the National Numbers of any relative
where the generations had been proved as documentation.  Other
generations would have to be documented.

Nancy

Nancy M. Miller, MSLS 
Collection Development Librarian 
Virginia Beach Public Library 
4100 Virginia Beach Blvd. 
Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767 
757-385-0163 
757-431-3741 FAX 
nmiller at vbgov.com <mailto:nmiller at vbgov.com>  
vbgov.com/libraries 

________________________________

From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Sutton,
Linda
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR

Interesting, my mother, who was a CAR (Children of the American
Revolution) was told that she would have to reprove her CAR application
to become a DAR; even though her mother, aunt, and grandmother had been
members of the DAR and their membership numbers were on her application.
She was upset about that and has not attempted to join since and at her
age may never do so.

Does this vary by state or chapter?

Linda Sutton

---- Original message ----

    Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:29:06 -0400
    From: "Nancy Miller" <NMiller at vbgov.com>
    Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR
    To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists"
<genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>

    #MiraWebMsgDiv st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }

    I am a DAR member and have been Registrar
    for my chapter, having helped oodles of ladies complete their
    applications.  I have also attended a week long, intensive
training
    session at DAR on the requirements for completing applications
and conduct
    workshops on how to join DAR.

    You do not have to re-prove generations
    that have already been documented.  You can just refer to the
DAR National
    number of the person that you are related to and that will
suffice for
    documentation.  I

    It is true that DAR will not accept SAR
    applications as documentation..

    Nancy

    Nancy M. Miller, MSLS 
    Collection Development Librarian 
    Virginia Beach Public
    Library 
    4100 Virginia Beach
    Blvd. 
    Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767 
    757-385-0163

    757-431-3741 FAX 
    nmiller at vbgov.com <mailto:nmiller at vbgov.com>  
    vbgov.com/libraries 

________________________________

    From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    [mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of
mrarchive at aol.com
    Sent: Wednesday, September 10,
    2008 6:15 PM
    To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

    Hi:

    Actually DAR and SAR requirements are NOT THE SAME.  Often time
in SAR you
    are allowed to join on your Father or Grandfather  but in DAR
you
    must re-prove each Step.. Record copies of SAR application that
have been
    approved are usually questioned and not accepted by the DAR  in
these
    later years.. It is still the wiser decision to contact the
National
    Organizations eac.. individually  www.SAR.ORG 
    for the updated versions. Steve

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Nancy Miller <NMiller at vbgov.com>
    To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
    <genealib at mailman..acomp.usf.edu>
    Sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 8:11 am
    Subject: RE: [Genealib] DAR

    SAR's requirements are the same as DAR except you only have to
prove the
    bloodline back to the patriot.

    Nancy

    Nancy M. Miller, MSLS
    Collection Development Librarian
    Virginia Beach Public Library
    4100 Virginia Beach Blvd.

    Virginia Beach, VA 23452-1767

    757-385-0163
    757-431-3741 FAX
    nmiller at vbgov.com
    vbgov.com/libraries
    -----Original Message-----
    From: genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    [mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
<mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu?> ] On Behalf Of Nancy
    Maxwell
    Sent: Tu
    e!
    !
    sday, September 09, 2008 5:29 PM
    To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
    Subject: Re: [Genealib] DAR

    Wanda, I don't have handouts, but I normally refer potential
members to
    the local DAR chapter and give them the excellent DAR web site
because
    the Society has specific procedures and requirements for
membership. I
    haven't been asked about SAR membership yet.

    Nancy Kouyoumjian Maxwell, Genealogy Librarian
    Frances Pittman Malcolm Genealogy Room
    Grapevine Public Library
    1201 Municipal Way

    Grapevine, TX 76051

    Voice: 817-410-3429
    Fax: 817-410-3084
    E-mail: nmaxwell at grapevinetexas.gov

    "The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for
curiosity."
    ~Dorothy Parker

    >>> "Wanda Hunter" <whunter at cumberland.lib.nc.us> 9/9/2008 4:01
PM >>>
    Do any of you have handouts with resources that you give to
customers
    who are trying to get into the DAR or SAR?  Would you please
share.

    Thanks.

    Wanda Hunter
    Local & State History Manager
    Cumberland County Public Library & Information Center

    300 Maiden Ln

    Fayetteville, NC 28301-5000

    910-483-7727, ext. 309

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