[Genealib] Remote film access
Howard Bybee
howard_bybee at byu.edu
Fri Feb 1 17:10:08 EST 2008
Remote film access may work well for an organization with central repository and branch offices and very controlled usage by staff for limited reference work. Scheduling public user access, staff oversight, film circulation, copyright, end-user training, and a host of other issues may (will) not work very well in a public service environment. Digitization and direct internet access is the solution, and, of course, indexing the images. Does this sound like the FamilySearch microfilm digitization and indexing project, underway already? We actually experimented with remote film access but found the solution not ready for prime time. It works but it is cumbersome.
Howard C. Bybee
Family History Librarian
2246 HBLL
Harold B. Lee Library
Brigham Young University
Provo, Utah 84602
801-422-7661
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1. Middle America Speakers (Carrie Cook)
2. remote access to microfilm (Larry Naukam)
3. Re: remote access to microfilm (lapiubella1)
4. RE: remote access to microfilm (Brannan, Joyce A.)
5. Re: Literature Review Assistance (Nancy Ward)
6. RE: remote access to microfilm (Rhonda Konig)
7. Thanks to all re distributors (Cynthia Van Ness)
8. Re: Middle America Speakers (Jim)
9. Re: Seeking distributor/vendor recommendation (Barbara Hill)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:26:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Carrie Cook <carriescorner at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Genealib] Middle America Speakers
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Greetings,
Are you based in Middle America, or have prepared topics that specialize in Mid-America? Do you speak professionally? If so, we wanted to touch base with you about the possibility of joining Mid-America Speakers - http://www.midamericaspeakers.com. If we can provide more information, please let us know. We'd love to have you become a member. As the site grows, we feel it will become more utilized.
Need a speaker in Mid-America? Visit the site above - it exists to connect speakers with audiences.
Regardless of your decision, feel free to pass the information about Mid-America Speakers on to friends and co-workers. Please let us know if there is anything we can do for you.
Thanks,
Carrie Cook
Mid-America Speakers &
The Gregath Publishing Company
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918-542-4148
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:59:00 -0500
From: "Larry Naukam" <lnaukam at mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
Subject: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
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I looked at the web page, and the concept is neat. However, I cannot ever
fathom having enough staff and time to do that as well as handle the normal
influx of patrons.
Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should.
And practical politics means that local users come first, rather than
distant ones. Locals come first in the eyes of the politicians who control
our budget. E.g. - what if any user wants to do research after the library
is closed? It must be promulgated that the service is only available during
certain hours, which, in a way, is obvious - but we make our indexes,
Heritage Quest, city directories etc available 7-24-365 without having to
staff them.
So I guess that I am underwhelmed by the opportunity to do this.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:18:57 -0500
From: "lapiubella1" <lapiu.bella1 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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I agree the remote access feature is interesting. I also have reservations
as to how it would work in the "real world". I work at a small community
library which has currently only two microfilm machines. We can justify the
presence of these two by tracking the usage by our onsite patrons. We could
not afford more machines, both in cost or the footprint of space needed to
keep them. But even in a large library, with many machines, and therefore
the patrons to justify them, why would you "tie up" one for someone at a
remote location? Also, in our library, our machines are a source of revenue
to us, as we charge for any prints done from them. Does your library
envision some sort of revenue from offering this service? How, by the hour,
and by credit card? Of course thats a moot point if you offer free access to
your patrons.
On the "little levity" side of it...won't it look spooky to a patron not "in
the know" to see the machine buzzing forward and reverse as the remote
patron views his images? You could have some fun with that!!! Then what
happens when the remote patron accidentally runs off the end of the
reel?Bella
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Naukam" <lnaukam at mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
To: <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
>I looked at the web page, and the concept is neat. However, I cannot ever
> fathom having enough staff and time to do that as well as handle the
> normal
> influx of patrons.
>
> Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should.
>
> And practical politics means that local users come first, rather than
> distant ones. Locals come first in the eyes of the politicians who control
> our budget. E.g. - what if any user wants to do research after the library
> is closed? It must be promulgated that the service is only available
> during
> certain hours, which, in a way, is obvious - but we make our indexes,
> Heritage Quest, city directories etc available 7-24-365 without having to
> staff them.
>
> So I guess that I am underwhelmed by the opportunity to do this.
>
>
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> genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:41:49 -0600
From: "Brannan, Joyce A." <jbrannan at uwa.edu>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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These machines would, obviously, have to be connected to a computer.
Wouldn't it make more sense to digitize films, by request or as time
allows, and then charge accordingly? We purchased a reader that can be
connected to a computer. We use student workers to scan the films into
a computer database as needed. They do take up a lot of server space,
but the images don't have to stay there. They can be loaded onto a CD
and put back on the server as needed.
I could see fragile film breaking on an automatic machine if someone is
actually controlling it remotely. Or any film on any machine for that
matter. The automatic machine is automatically making the computer
digital images, so why not just save them? Then we would have one
digital copy for patron use and store our precious original microfilms.
Makes sense to me.
Joyce Adams Brannan
Technical Services Librarian
Julia Tutwiler Library, Station 12
University of West Alabama
(205) 652-3677
jbrannan at uwa.edu
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[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of lapiubella1
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:19 PM
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
Subject: Re: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
I agree the remote access feature is interesting. I also have
reservations
as to how it would work in the "real world". I work at a small community
library which has currently only two microfilm machines. We can justify
the
presence of these two by tracking the usage by our onsite patrons. We
could
not afford more machines, both in cost or the footprint of space needed
to
keep them. But even in a large library, with many machines, and
therefore
the patrons to justify them, why would you "tie up" one for someone at a
remote location? Also, in our library, our machines are a source of
revenue
to us, as we charge for any prints done from them. Does your library
envision some sort of revenue from offering this service? How, by the
hour,
and by credit card? Of course thats a moot point if you offer free
access to
your patrons.
On the "little levity" side of it...won't it look spooky to a patron not
"in
the know" to see the machine buzzing forward and reverse as the remote
patron views his images? You could have some fun with that!!! Then what
happens when the remote patron accidentally runs off the end of the
reel?Bella
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Naukam" <lnaukam at mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
To: <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
>I looked at the web page, and the concept is neat. However, I cannot
ever
> fathom having enough staff and time to do that as well as handle the
> normal
> influx of patrons.
>
> Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should.
>
> And practical politics means that local users come first, rather than
> distant ones. Locals come first in the eyes of the politicians who
control
> our budget. E.g. - what if any user wants to do research after the
library
> is closed? It must be promulgated that the service is only available
> during
> certain hours, which, in a way, is obvious - but we make our indexes,
> Heritage Quest, city directories etc available 7-24-365 without having
to
> staff them.
>
> So I guess that I am underwhelmed by the opportunity to do this.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> genealib mailing list
> genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
> http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:08:51 -0500
From: Nancy Ward <nward2 at twcny.rr.com>
Subject: [Genealib] Re: Literature Review Assistance
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Message-ID: <9EFDC483-69B1-43EE-A687-BD8D4AF83200 at twcny.rr.com>
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I wanted to send out a big thank-you to all who have helped me with
this. I now have a lot of leads and ideas for the project.
Nancy
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Nancy Ward <nward2 at twcny.rr.com>
> Date: January 28, 2008 4:54:38 PM EST
> To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
> Subject: Literature Review Assistance
>
> As a (hopefully!) future genealogy librarian, I am hoping that some
> of the more experienced librarians on this list might be able to
> help me get started on a project.
>
> I need to do a literature review for a MLS class at Syracuse
> University. The topic I would like to concentrate on is determining
> what patrons are looking for in genealogical resources and research
> assistance. However, I am not having any luck finding any articles
> on this topic.
>
> Using various periodical databases, I have been searching with
> various combinations of genealogy/genealogical, research,
> assistance, help, resource(s). I have yet to find any articles that
> address this issue, whether genealogical based or general reference
> resource based. Would you be able to provide me with any ideas on
> what terms would be able to bring up these articles (assuming any
> even exist!) or where I might look beyond the general databases the
> university offers and PERSI.
>
> thank you for any assistance,
>
> Nancy Ward
> Syracuse University
> nward2 at twcny.rr.com
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:16:56 -0500
From: "Rhonda Konig" <Rhonda.Konig at waynegov.com>
Subject: RE: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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Thanks for all of your input. It has been very helpful and we'll take
it into consideration while we make our decision to purchase the
software, as well as in our policy development if we buy it.
Our local genealogical society is interested in this capability and they
are our major source of funding for the machine. We do charge for
prints at our library, but it doesn't bring in much revenue, so we don't
plan on charging for the service. We are considering digitizing our
local newspaper as well as other high demand items. Right now we don't
have any original microfilm, so that won't be a risk. We'll definitely
have to ask the vendor if there is some kind of safe guard for breakage
or run off.
Right now we have a very generous research policy. For example, we do
look-ups for patrons if they know the date of death within a month of
the occurrence and we will copy lengthy items, such as estate papers,
for patrons for a fee. We're hoping this machine will help save staff
time and provide better and quicker customer service for these types of
requests. We're also excited about the possibility of reaching
homebound patrons with the remote access.
Again, thank you so much for your thoughts.
Rhonda
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[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of Brannan,
Joyce A.
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:42 PM
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
Subject: RE: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
These machines would, obviously, have to be connected to a computer.
Wouldn't it make more sense to digitize films, by request or as time
allows, and then charge accordingly? We purchased a reader that can be
connected to a computer. We use student workers to scan the films into
a computer database as needed. They do take up a lot of server space,
but the images don't have to stay there. They can be loaded onto a CD
and put back on the server as needed.
I could see fragile film breaking on an automatic machine if someone is
actually controlling it remotely. Or any film on any machine for that
matter. The automatic machine is automatically making the computer
digital images, so why not just save them? Then we would have one
digital copy for patron use and store our precious original microfilms.
Makes sense to me.
Joyce Adams Brannan
Technical Services Librarian
Julia Tutwiler Library, Station 12
University of West Alabama
(205) 652-3677
jbrannan at uwa.edu
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[mailto:genealib-bounces at mailman.acomp.usf.edu] On Behalf Of lapiubella1
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:19 PM
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists
Subject: Re: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
I agree the remote access feature is interesting. I also have
reservations
as to how it would work in the "real world". I work at a small community
library which has currently only two microfilm machines. We can justify
the
presence of these two by tracking the usage by our onsite patrons. We
could
not afford more machines, both in cost or the footprint of space needed
to
keep them. But even in a large library, with many machines, and
therefore
the patrons to justify them, why would you "tie up" one for someone at a
remote location? Also, in our library, our machines are a source of
revenue
to us, as we charge for any prints done from them. Does your library
envision some sort of revenue from offering this service? How, by the
hour,
and by credit card? Of course thats a moot point if you offer free
access to
your patrons.
On the "little levity" side of it...won't it look spooky to a patron not
"in
the know" to see the machine buzzing forward and reverse as the remote
patron views his images? You could have some fun with that!!! Then what
happens when the remote patron accidentally runs off the end of the
reel?Bella
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Naukam" <lnaukam at mcls.rochester.lib.ny.us>
To: <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:59 PM
Subject: [Genealib] remote access to microfilm
>I looked at the web page, and the concept is neat. However, I cannot
ever
> fathom having enough staff and time to do that as well as handle the
> normal
> influx of patrons.
>
> Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean you should.
>
> And practical politics means that local users come first, rather than
> distant ones. Locals come first in the eyes of the politicians who
control
> our budget. E.g. - what if any user wants to do research after the
library
> is closed? It must be promulgated that the service is only available
> during
> certain hours, which, in a way, is obvious - but we make our indexes,
> Heritage Quest, city directories etc available 7-24-365 without having
to
> staff them.
>
> So I guess that I am underwhelmed by the opportunity to do this.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
> http://mailman.acomp.usf.edu/mailman/listinfo/genealib
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Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:06:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Cynthia Van Ness <bettybarcode at yahoo.com>
Subject: [Genealib] Thanks to all re distributors
To: genealib <genealib at lists.acomp.usf.edu>
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Hi list,
Thanks to all who responded re distributors of local history &
genealogy titles. Long story short, there is no Brodart or
Ingram for us but I did get some links for larger booksellers to
add to my collection.
*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-*
Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com
http://www.BuffaloResearch.com
"Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr. (1955-2007)
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:32:51 -0600
From: "Jim" <poetryj01 at peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] Middle America Speakers
To: "Librarians Serving Genealogists" <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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Greetings,Are you based in Middle America, or have prepared topics that specialize in Mid-America? Do you speak professionally? If so, we wanted to touch base with you about the possibility of joining Mid-America Speakers - http://www.midamericaspeakers.com. If we can provide more information, please let us know. We'd love to have you become a member. As the site grows, we feel it will become more utilized. Need a speaker in Mid-America? Visit the site above - it exists to connect speakers with audiences.Regardless of your decision, feel free to pass the information about Mid-America Speakers on to friends and co-workers. Please let us know if there is anything we can do for you.Thanks,Carrie CookMid-America Speakers &The Gregath Publishing Company
Printer, Publisher and Bookseller
918-542-4148
*No Attachments, Please*Thank you... Jim
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To: genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:26 PM
Subject: [Genealib] Middle America Speakers
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:13:14 -0800
From: Barbara Hill <bhill at calmail.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [Genealib] Seeking distributor/vendor recommendation
To: Librarians Serving Genealogists <genealib at mailman.acomp.usf.edu>
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Sorry for the tardy reply, but here goes.
Is there any chance your library can trust you with an institutional
credit card? The reason I ask is that I use Amazon.com and the
online version of Barnes & Noble to obtain quite a few genealogy and
local history books for our library. I only order what is in stock,
but you'd be amazed to discover the wide variety of titles they both
carry, even from very small presses, and sometimes there is even a
nice little discount. Also, shipping from Amazon is free if your
order total exceeds some small amount - less than $30 if I recall.
A couple of examples of what I've been able to get: Amazon.com had
one of the two volumes of Hawaiian Genealogies in stock even though
it is out of stock indefinitely with the publisher/distributor
(University of Hawaii Press). (Barnes & Noble had it in stock
too.) And I was able to get a volume of vital records indexed from
El Paso newspapers which is now out of print, and later finished the
set with an order directly to the El Paso Genealogical
Society. Amazon sometimes even has Canadian titles in stock - how
convenient! What I would not expect to find available from either
online store is specific family genealogies, but our budget is so
tiny that we seldom purchase those anyway, relying on donated copies instead.
Next time you have a batch of titles ready to order, check them on
Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble just for fun. You might be impressed.
Barbara Hill
Library Committee
California Genealogical Society
P.S. I never use BIP, haven't in years, and don't miss it one bit.
At 12:04 PM 1/25/2008, you wrote:
>Hi, gang,
>
>For a small special library with a local history collection and
>a tiny budget, can any of you suggest a distributor or vendor
>who is likely to carry small press, genealogy, and local history
>titles from multiple publishers? One stop shopping, so to
>speak?
>
>Otherwise we make out laborious purchase orders for each title,
>unless we're lucky enough to need more than one title from the
>same publisher. Then we get shipping quotes. I had to go back
>for forth for days with one major publisher because they don't
>offer a shipping rate schedule on their website and their
>customer service representative couldn't even find the title I
>wished to order in their catalogs, even though I found it in
>BIP. Then we fax in the order and maybe their fax machine works
>and maybe it does not...you get the idea.
>
>Shopping for new books should be more pleasant than this!
>
>
>*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:**:-.,_,.-*
>Cynthia Van Ness, MLS, bettybarcode AT yahoo DOT com
>http://www.BuffaloResearch.com
>
>"Everyone claims to want a city, but no one here wants city
>living. City living by its definition is crowded. It is tolerant
>of other people. It is dependent on a sophisticated population that
>makes a hundred compromises daily so that they can benefit from the
>collective energy that a city generates." --Robert N. Davis, Jr.
>(1955-2007)
>_______________________________________________
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